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why would you give the federal government more of your money? we all know there is a spending problem. nothing is on the table about significant cuts to balance this budget. i have a plan that would balance the budget in five years. i wish no taxes would go up on any american. i don't think it's good for the economy. but in this case, i think we need to get beyond it and get some certainty out into the economy. >> if boehner comes back and says, okay, i feel like i've cut the best deal i can. i'll vote for this. that's probably something you can support. >> if it truly is the best deal, yes, i will. i have faith, actually, in what speaker boehner is doing. i think he's letting the process work and i think i said it before. the timeline of the holidays and fiscal cliff looming and negotiations will come to a point where there has to be a best point. >> the jet fumes of national airport is the joke, but how big is that christmas holiday, if that is threatened, will that motivate more people to vote for something? >> if you want to see how this vot
why would you give the federal government more of your money? we all know there is a spending problem. nothing is on the table about significant cuts to balance this budget. i have a plan that would balance the budget in five years. i wish no taxes would go up on any american. i don't think it's good for the economy. but in this case, i think we need to get beyond it and get some certainty out into the economy. >> if boehner comes back and says, okay, i feel like i've cut the best deal i...
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pentagon sources tell nbc news the syrian government has loaded seran gas a deadly nerve agent, into aerial bombs and is just waiting for a command from president assad to use it. this week u.s. intelligence detected that flurry of activity at chemical weapon sites. >> our concerns are an increasingly desperate assad regime might turn to chemical weapons or might lose control of them to one of the many groups that are now operating within syria. we have sent an unmistakable message that this would cross a red line and those responsible would are held to account. >> this morning in dublin a sign that the diplomacy is intensifying secretary clinton met with her counterpart, russian minister lab rov and a u.n. special envoy on the side of an international security conference she is taking part in. russia is one of syria's main allies but have opposed and opposed any u.n. measures against him up until this point. if clinton can submit russian support the u.n. security council might be able to pass a sanctions resolution against the syrian government particularly because of the chemical w
pentagon sources tell nbc news the syrian government has loaded seran gas a deadly nerve agent, into aerial bombs and is just waiting for a command from president assad to use it. this week u.s. intelligence detected that flurry of activity at chemical weapon sites. >> our concerns are an increasingly desperate assad regime might turn to chemical weapons or might lose control of them to one of the many groups that are now operating within syria. we have sent an unmistakable message that...
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that's not a way to govern. when it's over, if you happen to win under that circumstance where you create a racially polarizing environment, ethnic callie polarizing environment then good luck governing. >> if you had a nightstick in your cup ber bun. >>> coming up, santa claus takes on paul ryan next in the "sideshow." this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some retirement people who are paid on salary, not commission. they'll get straightforward guidance and be able to focus on other things, like each other, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... on your
that's not a way to govern. when it's over, if you happen to win under that circumstance where you create a racially polarizing environment, ethnic callie polarizing environment then good luck governing. >> if you had a nightstick in your cup ber bun. >>> coming up, santa claus takes on paul ryan next in the "sideshow." this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall...
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there is this tremor, i think, going through state and local governments as well as the business community, what if they don't get it together? i think that's what they're going to convey. >> and you wonder why isn't the president playing the adult and saying let's get in a room now? why the posturing. when we come back, there was a lot of republican branding going on yesterday, happened somewhat accidentally, somewhat on purpose. trivia we ask, name the state where both current senators are also former governors. there are actually two answers to this question. west virginia and nebraska senators were former governors. virginia will be in this category january 3rd, but nebraska leaves it when deb fisher replaces ben nelson. hi, i'm phil mickelson. i've been fortunate to win on golf's biggest stages. but when joint pain and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, and stop joint damage. because enbre
there is this tremor, i think, going through state and local governments as well as the business community, what if they don't get it together? i think that's what they're going to convey. >> and you wonder why isn't the president playing the adult and saying let's get in a room now? why the posturing. when we come back, there was a lot of republican branding going on yesterday, happened somewhat accidentally, somewhat on purpose. trivia we ask, name the state where both current senators...
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she remains in government. she was unfortunate for many of the reasons we've discussed today, but she remains a part of the cabinet and part of the president's foreign policy team and he emphasized that today. so while we have work to do here to figure out why this system doesn't work and why, as i said, majorities don't always rule in congress and the public doesn't always rule, we should also be careful to keep in mind that there are many qualified people including my former boss senator kerry and ambassador rice maintains her position as u.n. ambassador so that's also important. she's not going anywhere just yet. >> i hate to evoke spike lee, he goes in school days and says how come no pitchers or brothers on the wall. we know she's going to be in the cabinet but we're talking about the big plums. we're talking about the big jobs. >> michael, look, condi rice was secretary of state. >> absolutely. >> hillary clinton was secretary of state. she would have been the third woman in a row. >> absolutely. >> but i
she remains in government. she was unfortunate for many of the reasons we've discussed today, but she remains a part of the cabinet and part of the president's foreign policy team and he emphasized that today. so while we have work to do here to figure out why this system doesn't work and why, as i said, majorities don't always rule in congress and the public doesn't always rule, we should also be careful to keep in mind that there are many qualified people including my former boss senator...
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government. and i welcome that. he's choosing to do it outside now rather than inside the senate but he's had a huge, positive influence on the senate and we're going to continue to see that for years to come. >> senator, this may seem like a simple question, but i wonder, and a lot of people do is the senate from your perspective, is the senate a difficult place to be if you are someone who comes from executive background or someone committed to getting things done? is it a frustrating place to exist, day in and day out? >> i would say to you, i saw the article that you wrote earlier today, governors do -- who are used to having their own planes and flying around their states and controlling their own schedules do find it more challenging in the senate. i came from the state senate in wyoming. i enjoyed the opportunity to work with people on both side of the aisle to discuss the issues and continue to try to move proposals forward that i believe in about. i believe this is a place where you can
government. and i welcome that. he's choosing to do it outside now rather than inside the senate but he's had a huge, positive influence on the senate and we're going to continue to see that for years to come. >> senator, this may seem like a simple question, but i wonder, and a lot of people do is the senate from your perspective, is the senate a difficult place to be if you are someone who comes from executive background or someone committed to getting things done? is it a frustrating...
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was selected as the emissary for the government and really this story starts there. >> it does. because after the death of our ambassador, chris stevens and others, as you point out as our consulate, the question was this a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 or a spontaneous event? "meet the press" and other sunday program, ambassador rice indicated that her initial information was that it was a spontaneous convenient and not terror. we know after that, of course, said it was self-evident that it was terrorism. so, why was it that she was working off of those talking points? why didn't she push back furt r furtherer? stick to that line when we now note initial estimate, intelligence agencies, including cia director petraeus saying terrorism, indeed, was involved. so, that appearance earned her the criticism that she was playing more of a political role at the height of the campaign than leveling with the american people. and it's come to this point. now, of course, all eyes, brian, as you know, on senator john kerry, who is campaigning hard and thought to be a real cont
was selected as the emissary for the government and really this story starts there. >> it does. because after the death of our ambassador, chris stevens and others, as you point out as our consulate, the question was this a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 or a spontaneous event? "meet the press" and other sunday program, ambassador rice indicated that her initial information was that it was a spontaneous convenient and not terror. we know after that, of course, said...
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in this case it's our own government that puts itself atriat risk. mo threat to say we might default, put our credit rating at risk, put the economy at risk. somehow at the end of the day i would like to see that out of there but i understand senator corker yesterday talking on this network about how, look, we've got to get the entitlements. i would say there's three legs on the stool. i look at it as the tax revenue question. there's entitlement spending question and i think the third is economic growth. i think i look at the debt ceiling as a technical question off to the side. >> do you want the debt ceiling to be part of this deal but if it isn't you're okay with it? >> no, they have until march. we saw what happens in august of 2011 when you go up to the end and look into the abyss or threaten to jump in. that didn't work very well. >> do you think republicans are making a strategic miscalculati miscalculation? there are some who believe, all right, we have no lefl leverage on taxes. maybe we give them the tax rates but nothing else and then use
in this case it's our own government that puts itself atriat risk. mo threat to say we might default, put our credit rating at risk, put the economy at risk. somehow at the end of the day i would like to see that out of there but i understand senator corker yesterday talking on this network about how, look, we've got to get the entitlements. i would say there's three legs on the stool. i look at it as the tax revenue question. there's entitlement spending question and i think the third is...
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the government's not. i'm in full agreement. >> we simply can't handle the demographic pressures unless we do this. >>> up next, how much should new parents know about their kids' genetic futures? "time" magazine takes a provocative look at the practical and emotional implications of genetic testing of children. rick stengel is next with an exclusive first look at the new issue. we'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] lifts to clear obstacles. ♪ lowers to cut drag. rises to every challenge. the class exclusive air suspension in the new 2013 ram 1500. engineered to move heaven and earth. guts. glory. ram. but some things never get old... marie callender's dutch apple pie with fresh fuji apples and a crust made from scratch... it makes home at the holidays even sweeter. marie callender's. it's time to savor. >>> so cute. welcome back to "morning joe." it is now time to look at "time" magazine with managing editor rick steppingel here to reveal latest issue. and it is the cutest cover i've ever seen. it
the government's not. i'm in full agreement. >> we simply can't handle the demographic pressures unless we do this. >>> up next, how much should new parents know about their kids' genetic futures? "time" magazine takes a provocative look at the practical and emotional implications of genetic testing of children. rick stengel is next with an exclusive first look at the new issue. we'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] lifts to clear obstacles. ♪ lowers to cut...
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that too many people want things from government. but i'm still convinced that the overwhelming majority of our people, they just want what my parents had, a chance. there are millions of mario rubios across america today. they are not looking for a handout. all they want is a job that provides for their families. >> one man is standing by mitt romney. after listening to ryan and rubio's remarks, today rush limbaugh said this. >> one thing i will tell you is that what animated both these guys was romney's 47% comment. the republican party is running away from that. if the people of this country are not -- if a majority are not taught, educated, inspired, motivated to solve their own problems at least in part, nothing is going to change.ç the democratic party is always going to win. we are never going to come man deer the notion that we are the party of government. >> joining me now, msnbc political analyst e.j. dion and richard wolf. i'm so struck seeing paul ryan at the jack kemp dinner. i don't know how you can can idol i idolize
that too many people want things from government. but i'm still convinced that the overwhelming majority of our people, they just want what my parents had, a chance. there are millions of mario rubios across america today. they are not looking for a handout. all they want is a job that provides for their families. >> one man is standing by mitt romney. after listening to ryan and rubio's remarks, today rush limbaugh said this. >> one thing i will tell you is that what animated both...
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>> i think the elections have cons 0 againsts and the electorate has chosen divided government. they expect compromise and expect it from both sides. i don't think republicans should move on tax increases without significant movement on entitlements. >> you want to get something in return but go ahead and offer it. and right now they're not offering it. >> in order to get something done, people expect to get something done. both sides have to come to the middle. elections have consequences. both sides are going to have to give. right now i think you need to see significant reform on entitlements. >> maggie, who should own the entitlement plan, though? i do feel like we are -- we know a plan will get done, right? there's a small deal that punts us and we have the debt ceiling, or there is the big deal that maybe actually provides some relief. the big deal, who should open the entitlement? you do it, mrmt. and they're going, whoa, whoa, whoa, i'm not having this fight with my own base. >> i think that's the problem, right? in terms of who should own it. neither side, and i think t
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>> in an ideal world for what he views as the role in government and his second term in legacy building, i think he wanted a grand bargain -- >> i think he does, too, to he can move on to the progressive stuff he wants to do. >> second terms don't last four years. >> right, right. >> no second term in the modern era has lasted four years. >> i know. >> it ends somewhere before two years. >> then you move into foreign policy. >> very quickly, chuck is right. if they get the tax rate increase on the wealthy, they declare victory and move on. we can argue debate that -- >> you're both educating me tonight. it's about taxes. the president can win this one before christmas. thank you chuck todd and chris cillizza. >>> up next, the story no one is talking about at notre dame. some people are charging cover-up. this is going to be a hot one and not very pleasant for me. this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat t
>> in an ideal world for what he views as the role in government and his second term in legacy building, i think he wanted a grand bargain -- >> i think he does, too, to he can move on to the progressive stuff he wants to do. >> second terms don't last four years. >> right, right. >> no second term in the modern era has lasted four years. >> i know. >> it ends somewhere before two years. >> then you move into foreign policy. >> very quickly,...
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public programs are successful which has been prooufb they're success it undercuts their view that government can't do anything right. >> is there a fear factor of democrats at this point if it's done in a small ball version versus a long ball version? >> yes, there is. i have to admit i'm a card carrying member of the sherrod brown fan club and he represents a breed of democrat that's proudly progressive and doesn't want to ceded ground to republicans but i think the president has to give boehner, speaker boehner, some ammunition with which to go back to the republicans in the house and say, look, the president is not getting everything he wants in this either. if he doesn't provide the republicans that kind of cover, that does in my view jeopardize a deal. that having been said, i think we are certainly seeing that republicans in the house and in the senate are agreeing in principle to allowing the top 2% tax bracket to increase and that's precisely what the president had laid down as his muffin greed cent. he said i will not sign an agreement that doesn't include that. i tend to think that
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this is measurements of how tough it is to govern. it's going to be tough for the president. but, you know, when we -- and the poll shows when he's compared to boehner, when he's compared to republican, sometimes elections or policy differences are about choices. and if it's the president versus the republicans, he wins. >> he's able to win that choice. >> i want to move to gay marriage here, micah. in 2004, just eight years ago, 30% of the country was in favor of same-sex marriage. now just eight years later, a majority, 51-40. your boss said people don't understand this and sometimes in our short attention span society, this has been the most rapidly changing issue perhaps in the modern era. >> yeah. and another thing about 2004, 51% were strongly opposed and today 51% are total in favor. >> what do we have 16% in the strongly opposed category? it is really small numbers. >> here's the difference. it's all driven by age. once you hit that 50-year mark you start to get a net oppose. but everybody under 50 is in favor based on this question and the wording. it's all driven by
this is measurements of how tough it is to govern. it's going to be tough for the president. but, you know, when we -- and the poll shows when he's compared to boehner, when he's compared to republican, sometimes elections or policy differences are about choices. and if it's the president versus the republicans, he wins. >> he's able to win that choice. >> i want to move to gay marriage here, micah. in 2004, just eight years ago, 30% of the country was in favor of same-sex marriage....
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these are guys who went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we've got five democrats, five republicans who range from dick durbin of illinois, great progressive democrat, and coburn of oklahoma, a progressive conservative, and five dems, five republicans, one independent, that's a super majority. and for god's sake, the reason we were so successful is we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you. >> good morning. it's thursday, december 6th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, msnbc political analyst, former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. >> mr. professor. >> good morning. >> professor. >> and we have former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst, steve rattner. >> financier. >> rattner is here. i like -- and we have to go back to that. it's the truth. >> it is! >> money is money. >> in washington, msnbc and "time" senior political analyst, mark halperin. >> we saw him on the streets of d.c. yesterday, and he was very cagey. >> the mean st
these are guys who went to congress not to limit government but to stop it. so what are you going to do? we've got five democrats, five republicans who range from dick durbin of illinois, great progressive democrat, and coburn of oklahoma, a progressive conservative, and five dems, five republicans, one independent, that's a super majority. and for god's sake, the reason we were so successful is we effectively pissed off everybody in america. >> congratulations, sir. kudos. kudos to you....
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there is a sense of a balance between government and the govern, and that's the good news. the not-so-good news or the big question mark is whether they can take that general attitude and translate into a political arrangement that has some stability and legitimacy. and what we've seen is that hasn't happened yet, and that's the thing that's playing out. and we don't have a lot of influence over it. we can basically say -- we can incentivize them to do some of the right things, conditioning economic aid from the imf or the united states on pluralism and something that looks like a democratic process. but at the end of the day, egyptians are going to have to work it out, and it's going to be awfully important because people should never forget, this is a quarter to a third of the arab world, and cairo is one of the great centers of the arab and islamic world. what happened here is repercussions that go far beyond the borders of egypt. >> no doubt about it, they are the leader of the arab world. mika, also fascinating just to look at what's going on to see that the army, whic
there is a sense of a balance between government and the govern, and that's the good news. the not-so-good news or the big question mark is whether they can take that general attitude and translate into a political arrangement that has some stability and legitimacy. and what we've seen is that hasn't happened yet, and that's the thing that's playing out. and we don't have a lot of influence over it. we can basically say -- we can incentivize them to do some of the right things, conditioning...
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government will profit $22.7 billion. they owe 92% of aig and i did not, personally, think that this would work. but robert who came in as ceo and dealing with cancer turned this company around and sold a ton of assets and just, honestly, frankly, an unbelievable story. >> it is unbelievable. mike, we may -- t.a.r.p. same thing. >> off the bank bailout. off of aig bailout. >> interesting. brian, thank you. [ female announcer ] imagine skin so healthy, it never gets dry again. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice.
government will profit $22.7 billion. they owe 92% of aig and i did not, personally, think that this would work. but robert who came in as ceo and dealing with cancer turned this company around and sold a ton of assets and just, honestly, frankly, an unbelievable story. >> it is unbelievable. mike, we may -- t.a.r.p. same thing. >> off the bank bailout. off of aig bailout. >> interesting. brian, thank you. [ female announcer ] imagine skin so healthy, it never gets dry again....
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you cut into state and local governments. you cut into a whole bunch of home mortgage. >> what about the buffett proposal? >> the buffett proposal is a great idea. the buffett proposal is a kind of no-brainer. >> how much does it raise? >> $160 billion over ten years. it's a piece of the puzzle. i don't think they believe honestly that the math works to get to $1.2 trillion. >> let's also talk about the reality of leadership, where it's working and where it's not. the president did campaign on raising rates, he won the election. he can say i ran on this. he's still running on that, effectively. what he's not -- if he spent as much time on saying we have a spending problem and here's how we'll attack it, explaining the spending caps passed last year, nobody knows what's in that, as he does about #my2k on twitter. i don't think we're seeing that right now. >> to your point, the president was criticized for passing on taxes in the rich in the past. i think it's a fair line in the sand to draw. but having said that, when you have
you cut into state and local governments. you cut into a whole bunch of home mortgage. >> what about the buffett proposal? >> the buffett proposal is a great idea. the buffett proposal is a kind of no-brainer. >> how much does it raise? >> $160 billion over ten years. it's a piece of the puzzle. i don't think they believe honestly that the math works to get to $1.2 trillion. >> let's also talk about the reality of leadership, where it's working and where it's not....
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. >> it's government at the brink all the time. >> these guys are not serious about negotiating. >> the next 72 hours are critical. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> let's just go over the [ bleep ] cliff. >> let's go over the cliff. >> at least for a few seconds it will feel like we're flying. >> with 26 days to go until america goes off the fiscal curb, the house of representatives chose to end their congressional business for the week today to enjoy a long weekend at home, but john boehner stayed behind and spoke by phone this afternoon to president obama. it was their first conversation in a week. also, this afternoon treasury secretary tim geithner said this on cnbc. >> when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000, if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> "the new york times" reports that senior republican ç leadership aides are contemplating a fall-back position on a f
. >> it's government at the brink all the time. >> these guys are not serious about negotiating. >> the next 72 hours are critical. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> let's just go over the [ bleep ] cliff. >> let's go over the cliff. >> at least for a few seconds it will feel like we're flying. >> with 26 days to go until america goes off the fiscal curb, the house of representatives chose to end their congressional business for the week...